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List of unmapped NES games
« on: December 14, 2024, 10:03:33 pm »
We've been talking about this a lot lately. I wanted to check on it's progress so I made a list by comparing the index of GameFAQs to the index of VGMaps.

First a quick explanation of what this list is all about. This is all the NES games that were sold as physical cartridges in North America from 1985-1996.

This list includes: Everything that we commonly accept as "official" NES games. Also, unlicensed games that were still sold in stores, like Tengen black cartridges, Camerica gold cartridges, and Wisdom Tree games.

This list does NOT include: Games that were sold in other regions but not in the United States or Canada. I'm keeping a separate list for those. Also, games that were cancelled and not sold in stores before Y2K. Some of them have had official releases in more recent years and most of them had their ROMs leaked to the internet, but they are kept on the other list. Homebrew and aftermarket games are not included. Anything that was sold on or after January 1, 2000 is not included.

These are games that are not on VGMaps at all. The incomplete map sets on the VGMaps index are not included, mostly because I haven't played every NES game in existence and can't tell at a glance whether most of these are complete or not.


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1942
3-D WorldRunner
720 Degrees
Abadox: The Deadly Inner War
Acclaim's Star Voyager
Advanced Dungeons & Dragons: Dragons of Flame
Advanced Dungeons & Dragons: Heroes of the Lance
Advanced Dungeons & Dragons: Hillsfar
Advanced Dungeons & Dragons: Pool of Radiance
Adventures of Rocky and Bullwinkle and Friends (The)
Adventures of Tom Sawyer
After Burner
Airwolf
Al Unser Jr.'s Turbo Racing
Alex DeMeo's Race America
Alfred Chicken
American Gladiators
Anticipation
Arch Rivals: A BasketBrawl!
Archon
Arctic Adventure: Penguin & Seal
Back to the Future
Bad Street Brawler
Bandit Kings of Ancient China
Barbie
Bard's Tale (The)
Baseball
Baseball Simulator 1.000
Baseball Stars
Baseball Stars II
Bases Loaded
Bases Loaded II: Second Season
Bases Loaded 3
Bases Loaded 4
Battle Chess
Best of the Best: Championship Karate
Bible Buffet
Bigfoot
Bill & Ted's Excellent Video Game Adventure
Bill Elliott's NASCAR Challenge
Billiard Congress of America presents Championship Pool (The)
Black Bass USA (The)
Blackjack
Blue Marlin (The)
Blues Brothers (The)
Bo Jackson Baseball
Bomberman
Bomberman II
Boulder Dash
Break Time: The National Pool Tour
BreakThru
Bubble Bath Babes (US)
Burai Fighter
Capcom's Gold Medal Challenge '92
Casino Kid II
Castelian
Castle of Deceit
Challenge of the Dragon
Championship Bowling
Chessmaster (The)
Chubby Cherub
Circus Caper
City Connection
Classic Concentration
Cliffhanger
Cobra Command
Cobra Triangle
Color a Dinosaur
Conan
Conflict
Crash 'n' the Boys: Street Challenge
Crystal Mines
Cyber Stadium Series: Base Wars
Danny Sullivan's Indy Heat
Dash Galaxy in the Alien Asylum
Days of Thunder
Death Race
Deathbots
Defender II
Defender of the Crown
Defenders of Dynatron City
Demon Sword
Destination Earthstar
Dick Tracy
Die Hard
Dig Dug
Dig Dug II: Trouble in Paradise
Dirty Harry
Disney's Beauty and the Beast
Double Dare
Double Strike
Dragon Spirit: The New Legend
Dudes With Attitude
Dungeon Magic: Sword of the Elements
Dusty Diamond's All-Star Softball
Eliminator Boat Duel
Escape from Atlantis (The)
Exodus: Journey to the Promised Land
F-1 Sensation
F-117A Stealth Fighter
F-15 City War
F-15 Strike Eagle
F-15 City War
Family Feud
Fantasy Zone (Tengen)
Ferrari Grand Prix Challenge
Fire'n Ice
Firehawk
Fisher-Price: Firehouse Rescue
Fisher-Price: I Can Remember
Fisher-Price: Perfect Fit
Fist of the North Star
Flight of the Intruder
Formula One: Built to Win
Fun House
G.I. Joe: The Atlantis Factor
Galactic Crusader
Galaxy 5000: Racing in the 51st Century
Garry Kitchen's Battletank
Gemfire
Godzilla: Monster of Monsters!
Godzilla 2: War of the Monsters
Golf Grand Slam
Golgo 13: Top Secret Episode
Greg Norman's Golf Power
Gun Nac
Harlem Globetrotters
Hatris
Heavy Shreddin'
High Speed
Home Alone 2: Lost in New York
Hoops
Hot Slots
Hudson Hawk
Hunt for Red October (The)
Ice Hockey
Image Fight
Impossible Mission-II
Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade
Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade (1991)
Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom
Infiltrator
Jack Nicklaus' Greatest 18 Holes of Major Championship Golf
Jetsons: Cogswell's Caper! (The)
Jim Henson's Muppet Adventure: Chaos at the Carnival
Jimmy Connors Tennis
Joe & Mac
John Elway's Quarterback
Jordan vs Bird: One on One
Joshua & the Battle of Jericho
Kabuki Quantum Fighter
Karate Champ
Kickle Cubicle
King Neptune's Adventure
King of Kings: The Early Years (The)
Kiwi Kraze
KlashBall
Klax
Knight Rider
Krazy Kreatures
Krusty's Fun House
L'Empereur
Last Action Hero
Last Starfighter (The)
Lee Trevino's Fighting Golf
The Legend of Prince Valiant
Legendary Wings
Legends of the Diamond: The Baseball Championship Game
Lethal Weapon
Linus Spacehead's Cosmic Crusade
Little League Baseball: Championship Series
Loopz
Mach Rider
Mad Max (1990)
Magic Darts
Magic Johnson's Fast Break
Magician
MagMax
Major League Baseball
Master Chu and the Drunkard Hu
Maxi 15
Menace Beach
Mendel Palace
Metal Fighter
Metal Mech: Man & Machine
Metal Max
Michael Andretti's World GP
Micro Machines
MiG 29: Soviet Fighter
Might & Magic: Secret of the Inner Sanctum
Millipede
Miracle Piano Teaching System (The)
Mission Cobra
Monster Truck Rally
Moon Ranger
Motor City Patrol
Ms. Pac-Man
MTV's Remote Control
Mutant Virus: Crisis in a Computer World (The)
NFL
Nigel Mansell's World Championship Racing
Ninja Kid
Nobunaga's Ambition
Nobunaga's Ambition II
North and South
Operation: Secret Storm
Orb-3D
Othello
Overlord
P'radikus Conflict
Pac-Land
Pac-Mania
Palamedes
Paperboy
Paperboy 2
Peek A Boo Poker
Pesterminator: The Western Exterminator
Phantom Fighter
Pictionary
Pin Bot
Pinball Quest
Pipe Dream
Pirates!
Power Punch II
Predator
Pro Sport Hockey
Puss 'N Boots: Pero's Great Adventure
Puzzle
Puzznic
Pyramid
Qix
Quattro Arcade
Quattro Sports
R.B.I. Baseball
R.B.I. Baseball 2
R.B.I. Baseball 3
Racket Attack
Rad Racer
Rad Racer II
Rad Racket: Deluxe Tennis II
Raid 2020
Rainbow Islands: Bubble Bobble 2
Rally Bike
Rampart
Ren & Stimpy Show: Buckaroo$! (The)
Road Runner
RoadBlasters
Robodemons
Rock'n' Ball
Rocket Ranger
Rocketeer (The)
Roger Clemens' MVP Baseball
Rollerball
Rolling Thunder
Romance of the Three Kingdoms
Roundball 2-on-2 Challenge
Sea of Dreamland
Secret Scout in the Temple of Demise
Seicross
Sesame Street: 123
Sesame Street: ABC
Sesame Street: ABC & 123
Sesame Street: Big Bird's Hide & Speak
Sesame Street: Countdown
Shingen the Ruler
Shinobi
ShockWave
Side Pocket
Silent Service
Simpsons: Bart vs. the World (The)
Simpsons: Bartman Meets Radioactive Man (The)
Skull & Crossbones
Sky Kid
Sky Shark
Slalom
Smash T.V.
Soccer
Solitaire
Space Invaders
Space Shuttle Project
Spider-Man: Return of the Sinister Six
Sqoon
Stack-Up
Stanley: The Search for Dr. Livingston
Star Force
Star Trek: The Next Generation
Starship Hector
Stealth ATF
Stinger
Stunt Kids
Sullivan Bluth Presents: Dragon's Lair
Summer Carnival '92: Recca
Sunday Funday: The Ride
Super Cars
Super Dodge Ball
Super Glove Ball
Super Jeopardy!
Super Sprint
Super Spy Hunter
Super Turrican
Swamp Thing
Sword Master
T&C Surf Designs: Thrilla's Surfari
Taboo: The Sixth Sense
Tag Team Wrestling
Tecmo Baseball
Tecmo Cup Soccer Game
Tecmo Super Bowl
Tennis
Terminator (The)
Terra Cresta
Tetris 2
Three Stooges (The)
Thunder & Lightning
Thunderbirds
Tiles of Fate
Tiger-Heli
Tiny Toon Adventures: Cartoon Workshop
Toki
Tombs & Treasure
Top Gun
Top Gun: The Second Mission
Top Players' Tennis
Total Recall
Trog!
Trolls on Treasure Island
Twin Cobra
Twin Eagle
Ultima: Warriors of Destiny
Ultimate Air Combat
Ultimate Basketball
Ultimate Frogger Champion
Ultimate League Soccer
Ultimate Stuntman (The)
Uncharted Waters
Untouchables (The)
Urban Champion
Vegas Dream
Videomation
Vindicators
War in the Gulf
Wario's Woods
Werewolf: The Last Warrior
Wheel of Fortune
Wheel of Fortune: Family Edition
Wheel of Fortune: Featuring Vanna White
Wheel of Fortune: Junior Edition
Where in Time is Carmen Sandiego?
Win, Lose or Draw
Wizardry: Knight of Diamonds - The Second Scenario
Wizardry: Proving Grounds of the Mad Overlord
World Champ
Wrath of the Black Manta
Wurm: Journey to the Center of the Earth
Xenophobe
Zanac
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Re: List of unmapped NES games
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2024, 10:07:35 pm »
I'm going to be working on this for the foreseeable future. I'm not actually calling "dibs" on any of these games though. If anyone wants to take some of these games then by all means.

My list of Japan only and other region (Asia, Australia, Europe) games is more than twice as long as the above list. I'll try posting it here if I can shrink it down a bit first.

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Re: List of unmapped NES games
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2024, 05:30:59 pm »
I've actually fully mapped Ufouria: The Saga in 2006 so you can remove that one from the list.
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Re: List of unmapped NES games
« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2024, 11:24:08 am »
Interesting, I've never heard of anyone refer to "Star Voyager" as "Acclaim's Star Voyager".

As a rule, I generally remove/ignore creators' names, like "Disney's".  I also remove "Hudson's" from "Hudson's Adventure Island".  I keep waffling on "Bram Stoker's Dracula", because the film that these games are based on heavily emphasized "Bram Stoker's" as if it should be part of the title, and I can't count on IMDb for clarification, it's been listed both with and without the "Bram Stoker's" at different times that I've looked at it.  On VGMaps, these games are currently under "B", but I might move them to "D" one day to be consistent with my rules.

But obviously, with any rule, there are challenges and exceptions.  You can't very well take away "Tecmo" from "Tecmo Bowl", but that makes "Tecmo Secret Of The Stars" on the Super NES problematic. You do have to call it "Tecmo Baseball" since Nintendo released their own "Baseball", but also, no one calls it "Tecmo Star Force", and that's fine as there isn't another "Star Force" game by someone else, but the "Tecmo" is indeed bigger on the Star Force box than the (Tecmo) Baseball box.  Does size matter?  Well, while I do think that "Capcom's Gold Medal Challenge" should be listed under "G", and I similarly ignore the "Capcom's" on "Capcom's MVP Football" on the Super NES and list it under "M", the latter looks really odd especially because "Capcom's" is so large on the box art.

I generally keep the name if it's a sports athlete/coach that endorses it, like "Bill Laimbeer's Combat Basketball" (Super NES).  Sometimes you have to ignore it if it's a one-off and they don't endorse the whole series, like "Ayrton Senna's Super Monaco GP II" (Genesis) or "Ryne Sandberg Plays Bases Loaded 3".  This definitely runs into problems like "Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!!" which feels like it should be under "M" (which is where it is here on VGMaps as of now) but by my rules, you'd think I should put under "P", as the series existed before Mike Tyson and has continued on without him.  But if I keep it at "M", does that mean "Ryne Sandberg Plays Bases Loaded 3" should be under "R"?  But since he PLAYS the game, then I guess the game really is titled "Bases Loaded 3", and we should just see "Ryne Sandberg Plays" as tagline text, like how "Tuff E Nuff" on the Super NES isn't called "Hey Punk! Are You Tuff E Nuff?", despite the box very clearly saying that...

Back to the sports thing, there's a Super NES PAL exclusive game called "Dino Dini's Soccer".  If Dino Dini was a sports guy, that would be under "D".  But I learned that he's a programmer, making it under "S" - like "Soccer, Dino Dini's".  It's like "David Crane's Amazing Tennis" on the Super NES.  David Crane developed it, like he did "David Crane's A Boy And His Blob: Trouble On Blobolonia", which I put under "B", not "D", despite the "B" in "Boy" so far from the front, similar to "J.R.R. Tolkien's The Lord Of The Rings: Vol. 1" on the Super NES being listed under "L" for "Lord" which is almost in the middle!

And then I prefer APA alphabetization, which puts "Superman" before "Super Mario Bros." - since "N" comes before "R" - whereas "normal"/"typical" alphabetization (which doesn't seem intuitive to me) considers spaces as something to be alphabetized, rather than moving on to the next letter, and therefore puts "Super Mario Bros." BEFORE "Superman".  APA alphabetization helps with being consistent when you're not sure if there's a space or not, like "Sub Terrania/SubTerrania/Subterrania" on the Genesis, if there were other "Sub-" games listed around them.  A better example is that I'm pretty confident that "StarTropics" is one word - though the sequel's box has it as two - and it seems silly to me that its position among other games that begin with "Star" (eg. "Star Trek") would depend on whether it is one or two.

I was thinking of putting my alphabetization woes into a YouTube video, if I wasn't behind on other video projects that I feel more obligated to do.  But after reading about the NES and Super NES game libraries so often, and auditing ROMs/box art/maps, I've definitely seen all sorts of alphabetization choices and wrestled with my own, that it COULD be an interesting video, despite that (or maybe because) many people probably don't think that hard about it.

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Re: List of unmapped NES games
« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2024, 11:55:21 am »
@TerraEsperZ I've removed Ufouria from the list. Don't know how I missed that. Hopefully this list is accurate now.

@JonLeung I'm starting to see what you mean. I use GameFAQs as the main authority on release dates, developers, and titles, but I must admit their system is confusing when you have a large number of games to organize.

I especially dislike how Bases Loaded II is the only game in the series that uses roman numerals. Now we have to choose between proper alphabetical order and game order.

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« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2024, 05:05:19 pm »
I especially dislike how Bases Loaded II is the only game in the series that uses roman numerals. Now we have to choose between proper alphabetical order and game order.

When there are numbers, even when they switch between Arabic and Roman numerals (or even fully written out!), we should consider the value of the numbers in alphabetization - or rather, numeration.  Basically, common sense.  For example, on the Super NES, you certainly wouldn't go "Mortal Kombat 3" before "Mortal Kombat II" based on the "I" coming after "3", that'd be ridiculous.  Implied "1"s (or "I"s) should factor in.  For example, again on the Super NES, "Bubsy In Close Encounters Of The Furred Kind" shouldn't be after "Bubsy II", even though "II", if it was a word with two "I"s, would normally come before "In", because we have to assume a "1" for the first Bubsy, and then count the "II" as a "2".  Numbers take precedence over chronology, which is why I wouldn't call it "chronological order", after all, Castlevania III and Dragon Warrior III take place before the first game, and I THINK Ninja Gaiden III actually takes place before the second (it's more clear in the Japanese version, apparently).

Implied numbers can help keep series listed together.  For a specific NES example, the Ultima games shouldn't get split up by the "Ultimate" games.  Coincidentally, "Ultima: Exodus", "Ultima: Quest Of The Avatar", and "Ultima: Warriors Of Destiny" are actually known more commonly as "Ultima III: Exodus", "Ultima IV: Quest Of The Avatar", and "Ultima V: Warriors Of Destiny", but are listed in the correct order naturally even without the numbers.  But, there are also two NES games that begin with "Ultimate", and though I prefer APA-style alphabetization, it does bring up one oddity, and what you get is this:

ULTIMAEXODUS
ULTIMAQUESTOFTHEAVATAR
ULTIMATEAIRCOMBAT
ULTIMATEBASKETBALL

ULTIMAWARRIORSOFDESTINY

See how "Ultima: Warriors Of Destiny" now comes after "Ultima: TeAir Combat" and "Ultima: TeBasketball"?

I still do love APA alphabetization, but we have to deal with this.  The use of implied numbers actually fixes this:

ULTIMA3EXODUS
ULTIMA4QUESTOFTHEAVATAR
ULTIMA5WARRIORSOFDESTINY
ULTIMATEAIRCOMBAT
ULTIMATEBASKETBALL


I'm using Arabic numbers here, because if using Roman numerals and treating them as letters, it actually ends up the same as before:

ULTIMAIIIEXODUS
ULTIMAIVQUESTOFTHEAVATAR
ULTIMATEAIRCOMBAT
ULTIMATEBASKETBALL

ULTIMAVWARRIORSOFDESTINY

ULTIMAtely, I think it comes down to common sense, though, like I said, I've thought a lot about this more than most people world.  I could go on all day.  Do you want me to go on about the five Donkey Kong games on the NES and how I think they should be ordered?

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« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2024, 07:06:42 pm »
I could go on all day.  Do you want me to go on about the five Donkey Kong games on the NES and how I think they should be ordered?

I actually took the screenshots for those earlier today. I'll just send those in now and find out naturally. :p

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« Reply #7 on: Yesterday at 08:34:27 am »
I could go on all day.  Do you want me to go on about the five Donkey Kong games on the NES and how I think they should be ordered?

I actually took the screenshots for those earlier today. I'll just send those in now and find out naturally. :p

So, I think the proper order should be:

Donkey Kong
Donkey Kong Jr.
Donkey Kong Classics
Donkey Kong Jr. Math
Donkey Kong 3

This looks weird, and maybe unintuitive at first glance, but there is logic to this.
Obviously, Donkey Kong is the first.  Donkey Kong Jr. is the second game.  (Only those that follow strict alphabetization to insert Donkey Kong 3 between here would dispute that.)
Because Donkey Kong Classics includes the first two games, I choose to put that next, before the spin-off of Donkey Kong Jr. Math.  This is even despite the fact that Donkey Kong Classic comes out years after Donkey Kong Jr. Math.
Then Donkey Kong 3, to finish it off.

In one outdated folder where I have .JPG images of every NES box art, I have had to name them these weird names to keep them in order:

DonkeyKong1.jpg
DonkeyKong2Jr.jpg
DonkeyKong2KClassics.jpg
DonkeyKong2LJrMath.jpg
DonkeyKong3.jpg

I don't like saying "1" for the first game in a series if it doesn't actually have it (which is almost always).  I just say "the original" or "the first", or make it clear which one I'm referring to.  For example, "Mortal Kombat" could be confused with the newer "Mortal Kombat 1".  That's a specific case, but I still like to be accurate, like how I make sure I use Roman or Arabic numerals when possible (Mega Man using both for 2-7 (or II-VII), depending on if you're talking about box art or in-game titles, makes this annoying).  But when it comes to keeping files in order, often I may be forced to insert those "1"s and convert any Roman numerals to Arabic.

Here on VGMaps.com, I originally had the bootleg game "Donkey Kong Country 4" listed before "Donkey Kong Jr.", due to strict alphabetization.  But when I added zagato's Donkey Kong Jr. Math and Donkey Kong 3 maps, I reevaluated that and decided to move Donkey Kong Country 4 to after Donkey Kong 3.  It's well understood that the Donkey Kong Country games debuted on the Super NES, mostly set apart from the original arcade/NES games.  Though this Donkey Kong Country 4 is a bootleg, it is also clearly a later product, and I'm not a fan of unlicensed bootleg games being inside a cluster of officially licensed games.

I still hold licensed games at a higher regard than unlicensed games, and I've questioned if I should deal with them differently, especially when they share the name with other well-known games.  I'm not sure how.  Change the table colour?  Put them on another page?  I don't know.  Tetris - Tengen vs. Nintendo - both on the NES - is one thing.  But I don't like how if you search on the Directory page here for "Super Mario World", the first result is the NES/Famicom bootleg version, rather than the Super NES version.