Topic: eishiya's Maps.

[eishiya]

It's a nightmare scenario for me too. Of course it happened to the biggest and most difficult game I've mapped =_=
Fortunately, some of the areas have had only minor changes (e.g. highlights added to the edges of platforms), those don't require a lot of work and make for a nice respite from the difficult areas. Blasphemous has rays of light from most doors and some ceiling holes and those are hard to reconstruct because the game blends them differently from how my image editor does it, so I have to try to get clean screenshots of those and align the parallax backgrounds to those screenshots somehow. In some cases, getting clean screenshots is impossible because of the HUD* :/

I've also decided to add the various projectile environmental hazards to the maps instead of leaving them out, I think they form part of the identity of those rooms.
I'm also wondering if I should include the enemies that control other hazards (the Cistern bell-ringers that summon exploding lads, the Convent cauldron chain-pullers) - they're not so important for each room's identity, but it's useful to know where the are. On the other hand: it's more spoilery, and I don't want to include enemies in general.

The part I'm looking forward to the least is replaying the entire game from the beginning to screenshot the items and locked gates; I'm currently mapping on my old save, which has everything collected and all the gates open. I'm terrible at Blasphemous, some of the bosses are bullshit, and I doubt they made them any easier.

* ...I just did some googling and apparently it's possible to enable a developer console with a mod and turn off the HUD. If I can manage to get that to work, that would save me so much work! Thanks for accidentally causing me to look this up.
Edit: It works! This is great.

[eishiya]

Update on the Blasphemous remap: I've got the first pass maps done. However, as some content is locked behind NG+, and since I need a plain new game to double-check all the items, it'll require two more playthroughs (well, more like 1.5 - I don't have to 100% or even finish NG+) to finish the maps, not just one. This is going to take time.

Before I tackle that, I've been detouring and mapping the Miriam challenge rooms. I have three of the five done. I'm not actually sure they're worth mapping, considering that they're isolated rooms and just how miserable the process is. I guess since regular platformers have single-level maps, these sort of make sense to include. Here's one I did today:

If it wasn't for the developer console mod, I'd not even entertain the idea of doing these. Dying in these timed challenges while invincible stops the timer, so at least I don't have to start over every 1-2 minutes or every time I have to jump into spikes to screenshot a distant corner.

Edit: I've given up on doing the Miriam rooms. I did the first four and hated them, but the fifth broke me completely. I mapped up to the big fireball descent (like 3 mini-rooms away from the end?), but then then the game decided it was done being nice, and invincible mode now makes spike deaths lock the game, and I simply do not have the patience to map this room if I have to redo the entire thing for every 3rd screenshot (I don't even want to play it normally, nevermind mapping it). I considered reconstructing it based on videos, but those don't visit every part of the room, and it's just not worth the effort IMO.

Edit2: Blinkey finished the fifth challenge room map for me I've incorporated their map into mine and submitted the set.

[VGCartography]

Thank you for all your work on this one... found the game really difficult but I love studying the spritework.

[eishiya]

Same! The difficulty is rather inconsistent.
The main reason I map games is so I can have a way to look at the pretties without having to play the game again.


Progress update: Doing my New Game playthrough now to check/update all the item locations, I've just finished the first half of the game and crossed the Bridge. Doing my best to do the new ending route, which I hope/fear will reveal some new rooms to map. Playing the game almost normally has been more enjoyable than I anticipated!
Apparently the dried flowers from Gemino's quest no longer spawn in the Convent, so I guess you have to get his quest done "in time" to get those directly from him. I'll have to give it a look in NG+ and update my map accordingly. For now I've just removed the dried flowers item location.

Have another teaser, the updated Wasteland of the Buried Churches:

This one isn't as drastically different as some of the others, but still needed to be redone almost entirely because so many different bits were touched up. I also accidentally forgot to screenshot two of the upright logs on my new game run, but fortunately Blinkey from my Discord server saved the day by screenshotting them for me.
I've been adding labels for the different area transitions, similar to the ones on my Momodora: Reverie Under the Moonlight maps, I think they help. Also similar to my Momo maps, I'm adding the shop contents.

[eishiya]

All the non-NG+ stuff is done\o/ Maps updated, labels verified, area transition labels added. Just the NG+ parts left now. As far as I can tell, it's just three areas: top of the Ferrous Tree, behind the rosary spirit, and Petrous interior, and that one is through a door, so I probably don't even need to map it.

Unfortunately all the Blaspheming has taken a toll on my hands (I did the true ending on my NG run to screenshot the relevant item locations, had to fight a few tough bosses), so I should take a few days to rest before I continue on to grab the NG+ areas. Bleh, I want to get this done!

Edit: The rocks behind the rosary spirit are apparently decorative. The interior of Petrous is indeed one room behind a door, so I won't be mapping it. This means I only need to map the Ferrous Tree area, but I'm not sure it's worth the trouble to map it, as it's not so much an area as a boss arena with a save point attached. Thoughts? I've started adding the NG+ content (Jibrael and Amanecida locations) to the map, but maybe I should remove those and keep the map strictly non-NG+ so as not to distract from the main part of the game.

Edit 2: Done and submitted! Ended up including the NG+ stuff.

Edit 3: And they're up! https://vgmaps.com/Atlas/PC/index.htm#Blasphemous

[eishiya]

Started mapping The Mummy Demastered. I'm doing the unwise thing and grabbing screenshots on my first playthrough.

Progress is slow as I'm busy with other things, but progress is progress.

Intro area (I died there ._.)

First area

I didn't bother polishing up the final room of the intro area, I'm hoping that perhaps we'll get to come back there so I can get more/better screenshots. If not, it's right at the start, I can get it on the next go.
I was able to grab the tilesheets from the game files, which helps with the parallax layers and reconstructing HUD-obscured bits a lot, but unfortunately the game does a lot of in-engine tinting and blending that I can't accurately reproduce, so there's been a lot of manual recolouring to match the screenshots, and with the fog I've been mostly not bothering to get it game-accurate. In addition to all the in-game recolouring, there are also a lot of glow effects on platforms and such that complicate things. The universe decided Blasphemous wasn't enough of a challenge to map, apparently.

[Cyartog959]

Nice start on that game, Eishiya! You're doing quite well on your progress about the game based on the 2017 movie, "The Mummy". Sure, there's more work ahead, but, I have good confidence in your efforts on mapping that game, and others. Keep it up!

A small oversight, but, I stopped by the DS' atlas section and briefly noticed one thing. Your progress on Magical Starsign (NDS) is amazing, but your maps for that game aren't yet submitted and uploaded on the atlas... at least, from my perspective. I mean, sure, you did good work. I like it.

I acknowledge that you uploaded the maps to what web hosts you selected, but, just in case outages happen again there, or something else happened out of your control, I naturally felt your maps may be best uploaded to the atlas, just to be on the safe side, you know.

Actually, I tried going to your PostImage links to see some of your maps, not those you uploaded to Imgur, but they're all apparently broken, and kinda have been quite after you uploaded them there, without any prior warning about what happened. Can't see them there. I really hope that didn't set your prior work back. As a fellow that loves such work done here, I'm really sorry that happened, being its out of our control.

Thought I'd let you know.

[eishiya]

I'm not sure I should be responding since your post sounds rather bot-like, but just in case you're a person: I uploaded the larger images to a different host because they were too large for Imgur, but that host died. I still have the originals.

I never finished the maps - I would need to replay the game with a guide to get the secret treasure chests (and to know which chests are secret and which are always there), and I just don't like the game enough for that ): If you'd like, you could do that, and post screenshots of the secret chests' exact locations and contents, and I could incorporate them into the map.

[Cyartog959]

I'm not sure I should be responding since your post sounds rather bot-like, but just in case you're a person: I uploaded the larger images to a different host because they were too large for Imgur, but that host died. I still have the originals.

I never finished the maps - I would need to replay the game with a guide to get the secret treasure chests (and to know which chests are secret and which are always there), and I just don't like the game enough for that ): If you'd like, you could do that, and post screenshots of the secret chests' exact locations and contents, and I could incorporate them into the map.

I am a person. I was briefly concerned, but relieved.

Thanks for the offer, but I do have a link that leads to that guide to the secret chests you're looking for.

Will this do? - https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/ds/925593-magical-starsign/faqs/65635

[eishiya]

I don't need help finding a guide, search engines aren't *that* bad yet xP If I ever feel like replaying Magical Starsign, I'll find it. The problem is that I probably won't be playing it again in the near future.

[Cyartog959]

Oh, well. I'll still look forward to seeing some more maps when you're ready with them, regardless of which game you're working on.

[eishiya]

According to the in-game map, I'm about 2/3 done, but I probably missed some collectibles, I'll have to go smash some more crates and lamps later. Since I prefer to include all the destructibles in my maps, I avoid breaking them normally, and often forget to go back and grab everything after getting my screenshots.

I've reached the fifth area, which has some rooms where every or nearly every part of the screen has a moving sandstorm effect, so it's not possible to get the backgrounds (and in some cases even the foregrounds) from screenshots. To map these, I have to take and arrange the screenshots as normal, and then use them as guides to rebuild the storm-covered layers from the source tiles. Normally I only have to do this to fill in the gaps left by UI where the map doesn't contain other usable instances of those tiles; doing it for the entire map is very time-consuming, especially since the sand effect makes it hard to even make out which tile is meant to be there in some cases.

Here's an example of one such room:

The colours aren't quite a match for the in-game ones since I don't know the colour and blending parameters the game uses, but it gets the idea across, at least.
Bonus, the room without the sandstorm layers:

To place so many tiles in an image editor is too much work, so I did this reconstruction in Tiled (except for the distant background layers and storm effect).
If you spot some weirdly misaligned tiles near the ground: Don't blame me, they're like that in the game xP

Hopefully there won't be many rooms like this, they take ages! I think this room took about four hours. If I didn't have access to the tilesets, I'd have given up here for sure.

[Cyartog959]

Your progress is very good. Using Tiled in that manner does save much struggle when it comes to map making from games to be mapped out.

Never give up on your efforts, bud. I know you'll keep it up. Can't wait to see more full maps soon!

[eishiya]

26-ish days and nearly 4000 screenshots later, it's done and submitted. Hopefully it'll be up soon.

Disappointingly, the screenshot maps don't quite line up the way the in-game map does. A few rooms are smaller or larger than indicated and throw some of the other connections off. Because most areas are connected by rappel points, which are akin to Metroid's elevators in that they have a top and bottom aligned but are functionally teleports, the areas don't feel very connected, either. I think there are only 4 "real" connections between the game's 7 zones, and 2 of them are to/from a single zone. But, while feeling somewhat disjointed, it is at least a proper Metroidvania experience with a decent amount of backtracking with new abilities.

I'm glad I decided to screenshot everything on my first playthrough, even though it led to some wasted screenshots. With doors being permanently destructible, it was nice to get everything with the doors still there the first time around. I only had to go back on a second playthrough for two doors, both in rooms that have destructible doors on both ends, so it's simply not possible to screenshot both doors in a single playthrough, one has to be destroyed to get in.

I didn't find a way to hide the HUD so I had to spend a lot of time filling in gaps left by that, especially in screen-sized rooms where the camera doesn't move.
Every area threw some extra challenges beyond just having multiple parallax layers: moving fog, tinting, glow effects, particle effects, water (blurry moving texture), full-screen sand effects, moving platforms, different parallax layers sharing colours, and finally, an invisible death timer. The Forest area also had many rooms with a faulty camera that caused most of my screenshots to come out unusable, and most boss rooms had the camera zoom out, and not always to some sensible scale. The game also loves infinitely spawning enemies, which meant I couldn't clear out most rooms and had to screenshot around the enemies. This was a more challenging project than I expected. But, the game was also better than I expected, so at least I didn't have a bad time getting the screenshots :D Ended up finishing my second playthrough (which I needed for the doors) and getting all the achievements.

Edit: And they're up! https://www.vgmaps.com/Atlas/PC/index.htm#MummyDemastered

[Cyartog959]

Is it us, or are the Metroidvanias getting more and more larger nearly each time?

I mean, its no bother seeing them larger, long as there's ease of travel for backtracking. More to explore and face danger. Thought we'd seen a few more health and weapon ammo/stamina increases with 'em.

I've not seen prior Metroidvanias that were closely the same in size and scope, but if we had a chart or list that kept track of largest Metroidvania map size yet, well, we'd have quite a list of their sizes, ranging from highest to lowest, in terms of size order.

I've seen some good Metroidvanias, but didn't think of considering which is largest by far. Loved the work done in mapping them!